US C-Ram missile defense in action

"Highlander-Datsuns are Forever" (jamesbowland) 01/14/2020 at 21:01 • Filed to: Blowing shit up

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Update 1 : yeah this is from a PC game.

Update 2: yeah it looks real. I can’t make up my mind. Need some “experts” to chime in.

There is no way of knowing if this is the attack in Iraq or not but holy hell this is an amazing thing.

InFierority Complex > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:17

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Honestly seems like it’s from a game to me. ARMA or something, maybe?

McMike > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:18

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This future is here.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > InFierority Complex 01/14/2020 at 21:25

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When you watch it on your phone it looks real. 

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:25

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Minor correction: that is a Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapon System - p ronounced Sea-Whiz). It is a rotary 20mm cannon. The S eaRAM is a missile based missle interception system that uses Rolling Airframe Missiles (RAMs).

I was in Ike (CVN-69) when they tested their CIWS system. It was magical.

I also did some SeaRAM integration work on the Freedom class Littoral Combat Ships.  

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Snuze: Needs another Swede 01/14/2020 at 21:28

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does this  video look real? I keep going back and forth. It looks real in many aspects.. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Snuze: Needs another Swede 01/14/2020 at 21:29

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Wow, thanks for the insight. I’ve never seen anything like this before. It seems rather effective at shooting things moving fast from far away. 

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:29

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The rumours continue that the “laser-based version” of Phalanx  will be first deployed on B21 Raider.

facw > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:29

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That’s definitely cool.

It’s also interesting to see it effective (eventually). The Navy tried to get rid of the Phalanx CIWS from the Burkes in favor of just having the SeaRAM for point defense (though they eventually backtracked), and there’s a history of it failing to pro tect ships (I think it wasn’t active in those cases, but you have to wonder why commanders have so little confidence in it that they’d leave it off in hostile spaces).

InFierority Complex > Snuze: Needs another Swede 01/14/2020 at 21:32

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I think they are essentially the same but the Centurion C-RAM (counter rockets, artillery , and mortars) is the land based system. The name change probably wasn’t necessary at all but there we go.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:34

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I guess you can really mess some stuff up when you shoot a solid stream of molten lead at it.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > facw 01/14/2020 at 21:39

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My guess is a false positive and it engages your own forces

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/14/2020 at 21:41

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‘America Intensifies.

InFierority Complex > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:42

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Just a couple things raise my suspicions.

The way the camera moves is very FPS and unnatural. I thought maybe it was some sort of mounted camera at first but I don’t think so.

The smoke trails all look exactly the same and fade out immediately

Check out the (remarkably quiet) explosion at 2 minutes in.

Who uploads a video at 240p nowadays plus disabling comments?

facw > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/14/2020 at 21:43

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Yep, that would be my guess as well, but that makes them not so useful. Also scary since target identification should be the same with SeaRAM as well. Though the Phalanx system has been around forever, so it’s possible the newer units are better than they have been in the past.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > InFierority Complex 01/14/2020 at 21:50

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Yeah those were the things I saw too, and how the cannon in the middle moves.... I think this is probably POV video off of one of the cannons?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/14/2020 at 21:54

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That isn’t that crazy. “oh we’re hard to detect, and if you do we have defences against sams.”   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Tactical_Laser

InFierority Complex > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 21:58

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Sorry, feel like a bit of a buzzkill

Same video but higher res

I think this one is real though.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > McMike 01/14/2020 at 22:05

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“ The future is here, it’s just not evenly distributed .” - William Gibson

In this particular instance, it’s not evenly distributed  all over the landscape.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/14/2020 at 22:09

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We’re making do with 20 B-2 but the initial commitment for B-21 is 100 units... the buzz is that this is the most flexible mission fulfillment vehicle ever. Invisible to radar, invisible in IR, minimal acoustic signature. And, if somebody “gets lucky” and gets any kind of imaging on it, the c rew deploy  the lasers and beat back anything even remotely heading their way.

Likewise, you keep hearing “what a dog” the F-35 is, but the Israelis keep buying more, the Brits keep buying more (Block B), the Aussies want a bunch, Japan wants more and Singapore wants it. Yeah, all the allies want it because it’s not meeting the mission parameters... very plausible.

My theory remains that we’ve seen about 2% of what these platforms can do once networked together...

ttyymmnn > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 22:24

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I got this.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/14/2020 at 22:29

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I think @25% of the b21 are going to be designated trainers to keep hours off the main force.

Plus when you mix in f15 missi le truck

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a22355833/boeing-new-f-15x/

You have a potent force, b21 knock out air defence, f22/f35 establish air superiority/ paint targets, and have f-15s pump missiles in distracting  

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/14/2020 at 22:49

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And all linked together by the Matrix.  Or Locutus?  Their ability to network all this firepower is apparently... awesome.

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 01/14/2020 at 23:18

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Even the one’s we had in Afghansitan would still slew towards the aircraft and radar lock on them . Obviously we never fired on aircraft, since the Taliban didn’t have any. But I guess one C-17 pilot didn’t get the memo, he was coming into land when the gun slewed and locked on him and he popped flares and did half a barrel roll aborting the landing lol.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > InFierority Complex 01/14/2020 at 23:21

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Ahh. You are right. I forgot, this is the military, so things wouldn’t be straightforward. C- RAM is the land based CIWS, and not related to SeaRAM. 

DC3 LS, Fuck Hyundai, now and forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 23:23

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Def a video game, because of the purple tracers (they use red like everything else ‘Murican), the way the camera moves, and the sound of the gun, etc. Here’s one from Iraq, I think . (I don’t have any videos from my training or A-stan).

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 23:28

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It is quite good at it.

This video looks fake though. Here’s some real footage of CIWS in action:

facw > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/14/2020 at 23:55

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Well the Air Force is intending to replace the B-1 as well, which is a bigger fleet, and one that’s been getting pretty heavy use (personally, keeping the B-52, but ditching the B-1, which is bigger, hauls a lot more, and is cheaper to operate seems silly, but either way, they’ve got old bombers to replace).

Grindintosecond > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/14/2020 at 23:58

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youtube category: gaming

MrDakka > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/15/2020 at 00:09

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Lol, nope. CIWS and C-RAM (the land based variant of CIWS system s ) systems are terminal air defenses; usually part of a SHORAD network . If they’re firing, that means whatever’s coming either punched right through or evaded all your long and medium range air defenses. Upcoming h ypersonic and standoff glide munitions will only exacerbate the challenge.

I think the Army boys and gals get some additional hardkill SHORAD systems like the Avenger, but for the Navy, if those things is firing, the only thing left to do is fire some chaff/flares/decoys and kiss your ass goodbye because anti-ship missiles are called anti-ship missiles for a reason...and they never fire just one of them.

This is why the DoD has such a hard on for laser weapons. With speed of light delivery, you can intercept threats much further out with and "infinite magazine" of shots , limited th eroetically only by the curvature of the Earth and your power generation supply

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 01/15/2020 at 00:13

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Skynet anyone?

MrDakka > facw 01/15/2020 at 00:14

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Just turn the B-52 into a missile truck and call it a Megafortress XD

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/15/2020 at 00:20

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It’s a valid question...  apparently a lot of the “future assets” will be unmanned.

facw > MrDakka 01/15/2020 at 00:28

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But why stuff them in a B-53 when you can stuff them in a 747?

But why stuff a 747 full of missiles when you can stuff it full of fighters?

MrDakka > facw 01/15/2020 at 00:44

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Why a  747, when you can use the stratolaunch?

facw > MrDakka 01/15/2020 at 00:46

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On the plus side, it’s not like anyone is going to be using stratolaunch now that its patron is dead.

On the down side, I’m still not convinced it should actually be able to fly without breaking in half.

McMike > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 01/15/2020 at 06:02

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Update 1: yeah this is from a PC game.

Thank you. I spent a few minutes trying to figure that out last night. There were bits of this that looked unnatural.  

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > facw 01/15/2020 at 10:58

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Lotsa lightly used A-380s coming onto the market....

McMike > InFierority Complex 01/15/2020 at 13:31

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Who uploads a video at 240p nowadays plus disabling comments?

Someone who wants us to believe it’s genuine. I have already seen it a few times on Instagram as real footage.

They got what they wanted.

InFierority Complex > McMike 01/15/2020 at 18:10

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That was my assumption as well. Looks like it got picked up by LiveLeak but most of the comments seems to call it out as a game, at least.